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PostSubject: Are you a patriot?   Wed May 04, 2011 12:00 am

Are you? Do you get some weird sense of pride over the fact that you were born and/or live between an arbitrary series of imaginary lines on a map? Do you feel said pride when one or more of your countrymen accomplish(es) something great, despite having no real, substantial link to either them or their success?

I think you can guess my stance on the whole matter.
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PostSubject: Re: Are you a patriot?   Wed May 04, 2011 6:58 am

I'm proud to be Australian. If we compete in any international sports, I'll always be please if we win. I hope good things happen for Australia and Australians.

That said, I haven't lived there for about 13 years, so take that as you will.
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PostSubject: Re: Are you a patriot?   Wed May 04, 2011 7:05 am

I'm definitely proud to be American. I love my country.

And it makes me happy when others talk about how they love their country. The same way I love my parents and think they're the best, and everyone else thinks their parents are the best.
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PostSubject: Re: Are you a patriot?   Wed May 04, 2011 11:03 pm

Fuck no. And I think the world as a whole would be better if people didnt feel prod over what landmass they grew up on. I dont see how patriotism benefits anyone exepts the gouverment really.

I think Sweden is an ok country to live in, but Im not going to defend it as a whole just because someone else has a different opinion about it.

American patriotism strike me as the weirdest thing on earth btw.
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PostSubject: Re: Are you a patriot?   Thu May 05, 2011 9:10 am

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American patriotism strike me as the weirdest thing on earth btw.
why's that
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PostSubject: Re: Are you a patriot?   Fri May 06, 2011 3:25 am

I guess I just find it creepy. Of course what I see of americans may be filtered and not acuaret to the majority. Like on the news yesterday, a random shopkeeper was intervied about osamas death etc, and theres a huuuge flag on his wall behind him, with golden letters "god bless america", complete with an angry looking eagle. Brrrrr..... It just seems, idk, fanatical. I just thought: Why? Whats the point of that?

I could go on about entertainers on tv getting massive cheers just for saying how proud they are for being a part of the great free nation they live in.



But as I said, mainly I just find it weird and creepy. I just cant understand it.
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PostSubject: Re: Are you a patriot?   Fri May 06, 2011 8:42 am

I'm pretty sure anything you see on TV is warped, not just that. My house has a big old flag hanging in the window too, but it's just the normal flag...

Plus, entertainers saying they love our country? If you lived here, you'd see that it's actually the "cool" thing to do to criticism the government and say how dumb they are.

Oh, wait, no, that's when GWB was in. As soon as Obama came in, they all changed their tune, because he's the messiah, and everyone knows that democrats are good, honest people, unlike those dirty republicans, right?
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PostSubject: Re: Are you a patriot?   Mon May 09, 2011 10:01 am

You have to admit though that USA patrioitism is almost off the scale compared to most other countries. Not only are Americans patriots, they have no problem telling everyone else how great they are.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not USA bashing. I've lived in about 10 countries in my adult life, one of them being the USA. I've got a lot of friends there, and enjoyed living there. But the whole patriotism thing is weird and different from anywhere else in the world, except maybe France. I've never seen so many flags as you see in the USA.

The USA is an easy target, and I don't want to be that guy. But honestly I speak from my own experience when I say that a lot of Americans have a pretty unrealistic view of what their country is / does / represents on the world stage.

barakinitup Uberman I'd really like to invite you to suck my fat cock, asshole.

Whatever, Obama. You know it's true.


P.S. Sweden is cool. You should be at least somewhat proud of coming from there. Meatballs is good.
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PostSubject: Re: Are you a patriot?   Mon May 09, 2011 7:17 pm

Yea, meatballs, the nobel price, furniture and....thats pretty much it.


Besides, I dont get why I should be proud of those things. If I actually had anything to do with any acomplishments done by some swede long ago, sure I would be proud of MY work in that. But I just happen to live on a landmass were someone makes good meatballs. I just dont get it.


And to sound smart, heres a quote:

Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind



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PostSubject: Re: Are you a patriot?   Tue May 10, 2011 7:07 am

Do you love your mom and dad?
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PostSubject: Re: Are you a patriot?   Tue May 10, 2011 8:06 am

PunchFox wrote:
Do you love your mom and dad?

I can tell where this is going, and suggest you scrutinize your argument a little more closely before posting it.
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PostSubject: Re: Are you a patriot?   Tue May 10, 2011 10:07 am

Does anything really make your parents better then anybody else's parents, from an objective point of view?
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PostSubject: Re: Are you a patriot?   Tue May 10, 2011 10:33 am

PunchFox wrote:
Does anything really make your parents better then anybody else's parents, from an objective point of view?

Better than some, worse than others I'm sure.
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PostSubject: Re: Are you a patriot?   Tue May 10, 2011 12:24 pm

I agree with Drifter, but for the sake of argument ...

Let's say my mother was a crack-whore who turned tricks for rock in our filthy apartment and my father was an abusive alcoholic

(not true by the way)

would you say that other people can't judge them as 'good' or 'bad' parents ? Let's say I loved them anyway, or didn't. Would that change anything ?

And while we're using the parent analogy, do you now as an adult still see your parents through the unfiltered eyes of a child ? A lot of kids think their parents are superheroes until they grow up and realise they're just normal people, even if they still love them deeply. So to run with your analogy, are you saying that patriotism is a kind of innocence, or perhaps ignorance ?
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PostSubject: Re: Are you a patriot?   Wed May 11, 2011 6:28 am

In response to your crack-whore mother example, I have one word: North Korea.

Ok, maybe two words.

There's also Iran, Yemen, etc...

As for the last bit, do you stop loving your parents unconditionally once you reach the age of 18? No, you still love them, despite their flaws.
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PostSubject: Re: Are you a patriot?   Wed May 11, 2011 6:59 am

Are you really trying to compare the people who brought me into existence and raised me from birth... to an abstract idea?
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PostSubject: Re: Are you a patriot?   Wed May 11, 2011 7:04 am

Would the idea be as abstract if you lost your social security, your guarantee to working utilities such water, electricity, etc., or the fact that anyone can get an education, even if you can't afford a single penny for it... etc.

Goes for many countries, not just the US.

edit: And no, not because you were born and raised here. What if you were adopted at the age of 1, and had no recollection of your parents? Your new parents are the ones you love. Likewise, your nationality isn't necessarily tied to where you are born, or what your blood is...
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PostSubject: Re: Are you a patriot?   Wed May 11, 2011 7:28 am

PunchFox wrote:
Would the idea be as abstract if you lost your social security, your guarantee to working utilities such water, electricity, etc., or the fact that anyone can get an education, even if you can't afford a single penny for it... etc.

If you can't afford a penny of it? Then you're fucked, no matter where you live. Show me a country where there are no homeless, and where all the essentials of life are provided to everyone for free, then we'll talk, because everywhere else you're on your own.
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PostSubject: Re: Are you a patriot?   Wed May 11, 2011 9:36 am

Those are some pretty high standards.
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PostSubject: Re: Are you a patriot?   Wed May 11, 2011 9:55 am

Yeah, well hody goby gobbledy goo.
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PostSubject: Re: Are you a patriot?   Wed May 11, 2011 10:01 am

-Drifter- wrote:

Hi drifter.
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PostSubject: Re: Are you a patriot?   Wed May 11, 2011 2:39 pm

Hello.
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PostSubject: Re: Are you a patriot?   Tue May 17, 2011 3:02 am

PunchFox wrote:
-Drifter- wrote:

Hi drifter.

That was pretty fucking epic......
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PostSubject: Re: Are you a patriot?   Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:43 am

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I guess I just find it creepy. Of course what I see of americans may be filtered and not acuaret to the majority. Like on the news yesterday, a random shopkeeper was intervied about osamas death etc, and theres a huuuge flag on his wall behind him, with golden letters "god bless america", complete with an angry looking eagle. Brrrrr..... It just seems, idk, fanatical. I just thought: Why? Whats the point of that?

I could go on about entertainers on tv getting massive cheers just for saying how proud they are for being a part of the great free nation they live in.



But as I said, mainly I just find it weird and creepy. I just cant understand it.

I'm a little late but... here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2BfqDUPL1I
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PostSubject: Re: Are you a patriot?   Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:55 am

Ha(I guess). Do schoolkids in America chant the pledge IRL? Cause thats creepy.
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